tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post164431462568749346..comments2023-07-12T09:32:08.336-05:00Comments on Ten Minas Ministries: Who Are You Thankful To?Ten Minas Ministrieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04256929436989537718noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post-73183549034333053372011-01-11T16:36:31.131-05:002011-01-11T16:36:31.131-05:00I would have to respectfully disagree with your la...I would have to respectfully disagree with your latest statement. There is plenty of evidence for an ultimate cause. You, of course, are free to disagree with the conclusions which some people draw from that evidence, but in order to do so we must face these challenges head on rather than simply making the blanket statement that such evidence does not exist.<br /><br />The kalam cosmological argument advocated prominently by William Lane Craig is one example. The form of the teleological argument advanced by Hugh Ross (and recently accepted by former atheist Antony Flew) is another. There are various resources on the Ten Minas website under the "Ten Minas Academy" tab which discuss these arguments in more detail.<br /><br />But even without delving into cosmological or astronomical data we can see how an ultimate cause is an ontological necessity. For every phenonmenon in existence there are but two logical possibilties: either it was caused or it was uncaused. If A was caused by B, you may legitimately ask, "What caused B?" If B was caused by C, then we ask, "What caused C?" Where does it end?<br /><br />Every process must have a starting point. If it does not begin, it cannot reach a destination. If the regression of causes is eternal, we could never have traversed that infinity to reach our current point. In order to have arrived at the destination of caused entities we see today, the progression from one cause to the next must have a beginning point, which is the definition of an ultimate cause.<br /><br />Logically there are only two possibilities. It is at least logically possible to have a reality in which everything is uncaused, existing independently of all surrounding phenomena. But if even one thing is uncaused, eventually you must arrive at an ultimate cause in order to avoid an eternal regression. If you concede that the universe exhibits causation (which is an essential tenet of naturalism), an ultimate cause must exist.<br /><br />This argument alone, of course, does not show that this ultimate cause is God, or even personal. But it must exist.Ten Minas Ministrieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256929436989537718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post-53380746622614743702011-01-10T23:51:31.373-05:002011-01-10T23:51:31.373-05:00There is no evidence for the existence of an ultim...There is no evidence for the existence of an ultimate cause.Igiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512602319525172055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post-37849620522707051682011-01-10T16:23:33.338-05:002011-01-10T16:23:33.338-05:00Igitur,
Again, thank you for visiting the Ten Min...Igitur,<br /><br />Again, thank you for visiting the Ten Minas blog and joining in the conversation. You say that there are some “good” things for which thankfulness is not the correct concept. I could ask how you define anything as “good” in a naturalistic worldview, but that would be taking us down another path. Stating that the presence of oxygen is the result of natural processes that do not require an agency to which we can be thankful illustrates my point. Phenomena like this are clearly beneficial to us. Under a theistic worldview we have both grounds to call them “good” and an agent to whom to express thanks. Under a naturalistic worldview you have neither. This post was not so much an argument for theism or against naturalism as much as it was simply an encouragement to fellow Christians to remember the blessings that we often take for granted when we feel like the entire world is against us. You say no agent is responsible for these phenomena, but of course a theist (i.e., the intended audience for this particular post) would disagree and point out that just because the immediate cause for a phenomenon is natural does not mean that the ultimate cause is not something, or someone more. God bless.<br /><br />Ken CoughlanTen Minas Ministrieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256929436989537718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post-84307301009323828422011-01-10T16:23:11.193-05:002011-01-10T16:23:11.193-05:00JLTan,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on thi...JLTan,<br /><br />Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this blog. I agree wholeheartedly. I have personally witnessed many Christians who unashamedly proclaim that Jesus is their Lord and Savior. But I have seen many others for whom the mere utterance of His name makes them uncomfortable. I believe many Christians, if they comfortably proclaim their faith at all, will thank “God” or “the Lord above” for their blessings. Please do not misunderstand me. I do not want to overly criticize these declarations because it is never wrong to sing God’s praises or to give Him the glory for our blessings. However, when this happens in our postmodern world, which “God” are they thanking? In the ears of our listeners, the Christian God often gets absorbed in the great melting pot of postmodern ideology. One person hears you praising Allah, another Mother Earth. Still another perhaps Vishnu. It is by declaring the name of “Jesus” that we differentiate of whom we speak. Thank you and God bless.<br /><br />Ken CoughlanTen Minas Ministrieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04256929436989537718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post-55149296237626010592011-01-09T23:56:39.359-05:002011-01-09T23:56:39.359-05:00There are some good things for which thankfulness ...There are some good things for which thankfulness is not the correct concept. The presence of oxygen to breathe is the consequence of natural processes that do not require an agency in which we can be thankful.Igiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10512602319525172055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34834827.post-17695221366837715012011-01-06T22:12:03.761-05:002011-01-06T22:12:03.761-05:00I was reflecting this morning how we often drop th...I was reflecting this morning how we often drop the name of Jesus these days. Eg. in some worship songs, we would "praise Him" without identifying who "Him" refers to. We are encouraged to have "faith", but are often not told who or what to have faith in.<br /><br />While appreciating the simplicity and non-offensiveness of such expressions, I think we also need to remember to mention Jesus more specifically if we are to be salt and light to the world around us.JLTanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00794087765993583616noreply@blogger.com