This is how political campaigns are
run or ideological drives are pushed.
Start an overly simplistic (and usually misleading) slogan and spread it
all over the internet. Before too long,
everyone believes it is true.
I recently came across a similar
phenomenon in a discussion on a Yahoo! News article with a gentleman named “Ryan.” Ryan proposed, without offering support, that
“science tells us” that “something can come from nothing for no reason.” The first question that occurs to me when
people make comments like this is what they even mean by “science.” Science is a discipline, not a person. In fact, it is a collection of multiple
disciplines. A discipline cannot “tell”
us anything. It cannot speak.
Usually when someone makes an
assertion like Ryan’s they really mean that most scientists who have evaluated
the issue have arrived at this particular conclusion. Of course, in regard to Ryan’s comment this
is untrue. “Scientists” have not, by and
large, concluded that “something can come from nothing for no reason.” If I had simply pointed this out to Ryan, however,
the discussion would have led nowhere.
Anyone reading our interchange would have seen that Ryan made one
assertion, I made another, and there was no way to evaluate between them
The far more effective way to make a
point is to reflect the burden back on Ryan.
He made an assertion, so I simply asked him to support that
assertion. Anyone who makes an affirmative
truth claim has the burden of proof to offer support for that claim. What follows is the exchange between Ryan and
I in which I asked him to offer support for his claim. You will notice at the beginning that someone
else (“Rowanese”) initially replied to him, then our discussion follows. Because Yahoo! only includes first names (or
screen names) to begin with, I have left the names the same. I did not correct any typographical errors.
Ryan: So, if something can come from nothing for no reason (which science tells us) and there's no evidence of god, he is nothing doesn't exist. Can something come from god?
Rowanese: You just
think science says something comes from nothing. That's not what science says
at all.
Ryan: You need
to read up on your physics if you still think something can't come from
nothing.
Kenneth: @ Ryan.
Please provide your source for your assertion that science "tells us"
that "something can come from nothing for no reason." Is this
something you have researched and arrived at this conclusion or is it a meme
you have heard and are merely repeating? I would be interested in hearing how
you arrived at this conclusion. Thank you.
Ryan: @Kenneth It's theoretical physics which is widely accepted
by the scientific community. I can't remember who first announced this but it
is accepted and considered a fact.
Kenneth: Again Ryan, I ask you to please find a citation and refer us
to it. It sounds like this is something you heard once and are merely
repeating. In reality this principle is not accepted by the scientific
community nor is it considered as fact. I can attempt to help you a little bit.
It sounds as if you might be referring to Stephen Hawking's latest arguments
regarding the laws of physics being responsible for the creation of the
universe, but even his theory cannot really be accurately summarized as
"something can come from nothing for no reason."
And I would simply ask you to reflect on that statement for a moment. If you were walking down the street and a red, delicious apple spontaneously popped into the air right in front of your face, would you be surprised or would you simply shrug it off nonchalantly and keep walking? If the former, then you do not really believe that that things come from nothing for no reason. In fact, you would be shocked and amazed and likely demand an explanation if you witnessed anything resembling this phenomenon.
And I would simply ask you to reflect on that statement for a moment. If you were walking down the street and a red, delicious apple spontaneously popped into the air right in front of your face, would you be surprised or would you simply shrug it off nonchalantly and keep walking? If the former, then you do not really believe that that things come from nothing for no reason. In fact, you would be shocked and amazed and likely demand an explanation if you witnessed anything resembling this phenomenon.
Ryan: In reality I studied this in college and am not in the mood
to dig through a ton of information just to please you. Find it yourself if
you're so worried about it.
Notice
that Ryan never answered my challenge.
Even if he was not in a position to lay his hands on a particular
citation to support his position, he very easily could have offered some
response to my red delicious apple example.
That did not require an explanation.
Yet instead he deflected.
This
is a common tactic when people cannot offer an adequate response. Actually, I was a bit surprised at how
quickly Ryan reached this point. I even
tried to “throw him a bone” by referring to Stephen Hawking, but he did not
take the invitation to cite to Dr. Hawking, something which I believe would
have given him at least some level of credibility amongst impartial
readers. I was prepared to discuss Dr.
Hawking’s opinions, but instead Ryan simply avoided my challenges altogether
and in the end made it readily apparent that his belief in something coming
from nothing was likely a matter of him repeating a meme without giving it any
independent thought.
This
is how far too many opinions are formed, unfortunately. I do not expect that Ryan is going to come to
Christ as a result of our discussion. As
Greg Koukl is fond of saying, not every interaction has to bring someone all
the way to the cross. The goal is to put
a “stone in their shoe.” Give them
something to think about. Then the next
Christian apologist they speak to may build on the foundation I have already
laid. We may never know the ultimate
results of our efforts. But is it our
job to represent Christ gracefully and in truth. This requires us to point out sloppy thinking
when we see it and ask direct and pointed questions, but to do so with
gentleness and respect.
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